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Post by 101reykjavik » 22 Feb 2016, 13:41

True - in his own unplanned Jarvis type way, his little act of rebellion is probably the most rebellious thing that's ever happened at the Brits? Probably? You've got the KLF and stuff like that, but that's all planned one way or another, and once something is premeditated it cannot be as cool.
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Post by AdvertBreak » 22 Feb 2016, 16:17

What about Chumbawamba's ice bucket over John Prescott? I don't think that was planned as the band didn't know he was turning up.

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Post by 101reykjavik » 22 Feb 2016, 20:53

Yeah, that's true, that was an unplanned act of course - how could I forget. And all around the same kind of time. A good period for Brits anarchy. :lol:
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Post by AdvertBreak » 22 Feb 2016, 21:57

Brandon Block is one of my favourites, but that was 2000 (just).

Davina: "What's your name mate?"
Brandon: "BRANDON BLOCK! OI-OI!!!"
Ronnie: "Get off stage you c*nt!"
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Post by 101reykjavik » 22 Feb 2016, 22:47

I nearly included Brandon Block when I mentioned the KLF in my previous post. What a glorious moment of drunken idiocy. :lol:

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Post by Lt Pinkerton » 22 Feb 2016, 23:22

Critically panned/largely ignored albums that you love. Go.

Bloc Party - Intimacy
Oasis - Be Here Now
Los Campesinos! - No Blues (it wasn't panned but nobody ever mentions it and it's great)
The Cribs - For All My Sisters (same as No Blues)
Morrissey - World Peace
Electronic - Raise The Pressure
The New Pornographers - Challengers
Arctic Monkeys - Suck It And See (it holds their worst rating at Metacritic and it's their best record imo)

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Post by AdvertBreak » 23 Feb 2016, 00:06

Lt Pinkerton wrote:Critically panned/largely ignored albums that you love. Go.

Bloc Party - Intimacy
Oasis - Be Here Now
Los Campesinos! - No Blues (it wasn't panned but nobody ever mentions it and it's great)
The Cribs - For All My Sisters (same as No Blues)
Morrissey - World Peace
Electronic - Raise The Pressure
The New Pornographers - Challengers
Arctic Monkeys - Suck It And See (it holds their worst rating at Metacritic and it's their best record imo)
Largely ignored could be any album by any obsucre or vaguely obscure band I like, so I'll do critically panned or ignored albums by pretty big acts
Bloc Party - Intimacy
Oasis - Be Here Now
U2 - Pop
U2 - Zooropa
Madonna - American Life
David Bowie - Black Tie White Noise
David Bowie - Earthling
Yes - Tormato
Genesis - Abacab
Genesis - Invisible Touch (both Genesis albums let down a bit by the ballads but great otherwise)
The Chemical Brothers - We are the Night
Fatboy Slim - Halfway Between the Gutter and the Stars
Robbie Williams - Rudebox :p
Suede - Head Music (okay Elephant Man is a wee shit)
Red Hot Chili Peppers - One Hot Minute
Blink-182 - Blink-182 (it was actually acclaimed, but ignored, and in one sense this is the reverse, as I don't particularly like any of their other albums)

Also, I don't love, but like very much:
Michael Jackson - HIStory Continues
R.E.M. - Up
The Prodigy - Always Outnumbered, Never Outgunned
Daft Punk - Human After All
Primal Scream - Evil Heat
Jesus Jones - Already
Pink Floyd - More
Kylie Minogue - Impossible Princess
Wings - Back to the Egg
The Cure - Wild Mood Swings
M.I.A. - Maya (and I've only heard it a few times)
Public Image Ltd - 9
Pop Will Eat Itself - The Looks or the Lifestyle?
The Verve - Forth
There'll be loads of others. Just need to think of them and I'll mention them later.

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Post by Mallard No. 22 » 27 Feb 2016, 09:42

101reykjavik wrote:True - in his own unplanned Jarvis type way, his little act of rebellion is probably the most rebellious thing that's ever happened at the Brits? Probably? You've got the KLF and stuff like that, but that's all planned one way or another, and once something is premeditated it cannot be as cool.
AdvertBreak wrote:What about Chumbawamba's ice bucket over John Prescott? I don't think that was planned as the band didn't know he was turning up.
The KLF were professionals at organising music biz 'stunts'. That said, they were good and original and it was art in itself. Also, they were not doing it recklessly and/or against particular individuals.

There probably was some logic in the left-wing Chumbawumba doing the ice bucket to a senior politician who had 'sold-out' his former principles for current politics. But Prescott was merely the professional politician, instrumental in re-forming his party.

To me Chumbawumba were a novelty act at the end of Britpop who picked on an obvious target. It was pure comedy, whereas Jarvis's act was speaking for music fans against the arrogance of Jackson and his whole empire.
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Post by AdvertBreak » 27 Feb 2016, 20:06

Disagree completely about the last comment. Chumbawamba had been a very political anarcho-punk band since the 80s. Albums like "Pictures of Starving Children Sell Records" and "Never Mind the Ballots, Here's the Rest of Your Life" were far from being played for laughs, full of endless, restless lyrics. The latter album is only about the "futility of democracy" and the three main political parties of the time. Come ten years later, 1997, they'd did the one thing fans never thought'd they'd do, and sign to EMI, a major label (they'd previously recorded a song for the 'Fuck EMI' compilation in 1989), but although songs like Tubthumping are essentially contentless, the band hadn't tamed their political ways. The same Brits 1998 performance of that song featured the lyrics "New Labour sold out the dockers, just like they'll sell out the rest of us". The band stripped to a Billy Bragg-esque folk motif in the 2000s.

They had their respect for The KLF as "real situationists". The KLF is one fun, fun, fun, fun story for sure. I could harp on for ages about how brilliantly subversive things like 1987 (What the Fuck is Going On?) and Fuck the Millennium are, not to mention the (regrettable imo) K Foundation projects like burning £1,000,000

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Post by AdvertBreak » 28 Feb 2016, 02:40

When I say "completely", I mean the Chumbawamba part lol. The Jarvis one I agree with.

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Post by Mallard No. 22 » 04 Mar 2016, 09:00

I haven't listened to Chumbawumba's earlier music, so I can't comment. I do know they were labelled as an 'anarchy band'.

I don't know how real their conviction was in this respect, but by 1997 they had come late to the Britpop scene and were in its tailwind. They made a song about drinking which appealed to the pub singalong crowd. They seemed a novelty act compared to e.g. Oasis and Blur.

They were peripheral to the scene, whereas Jarvis was central to it, and helped to shape it. Thus his 'statement' against Jackson had more credence.
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Post by 101reykjavik » 04 Mar 2016, 13:06

I can only assume Chumbawamba were very much an underground proposition prior to their moment in the fading Britpop sun - they'd certainly not entered into my world before then. Always felt like a novelty act to me, though I do recall reading the odd music mag article detailing their anarcho leanings - though it did strike me as a big blow-hard even then. I mean, don't sign with a major label if you're that concerned with smashing the system.

Their one hit ironically was, as you say Mallard, a song taken by the public at large as a straight forward drinking sing-along, a bit like, say, Terrorvision's Tequila. Though I admit Chumbawamba probably at least intended there to be an undercurrent of social commentary, it was lost on most people down the pub I think!
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Post by AdvertBreak » 05 Mar 2016, 18:21

101reykjavik wrote:I can only assume Chumbawamba were very much an underground proposition prior to their moment in the fading Britpop sun - they'd certainly not entered into my world before then. Always felt like a novelty act to me, though I do recall reading the odd music mag article detailing their anarcho leanings - though it did strike me as a big blow-hard even then. I mean, don't sign with a major label if you're that concerned with smashing the system.

Their one hit ironically was, as you say Mallard, a song taken by the public at large as a straight forward drinking sing-along, a bit like, say, Terrorvision's Tequila. Though I admit Chumbawamba probably at least intended there to be an undercurrent of social commentary, it was lost on most people down the pub I think!
Chumbawamba were very underground to begin with, although they were on One Little Indian in the 90s, who the band pointed out were "only motivated by money" when they signed to EMI.

From the band's FAQ: "We signed to EMI/Universal not because we'd been co-opted into the 'If you can't beat capitalism ... join it' school of thought, but because experience had taught us that in a capitalist environment almost every record company operates on capitalist principles. Our previous record label One Little Indian didn't have the evil symbolic significance of EMI BUT they were completely motivated by profit. Our position was that whoever we signed with would want us not for our ideas but for the potential profit, so we'd battle for a contract where we still had autonomy."

I agree that they would have been taken very much as a novelty in 1997. And yeah, a drinking singalong it was. A football song, basically, because its featured on countless football compilations, alongside such songs as Fat Les or Lightning Seeds. They even recorded an official world cup 1998 song, Top of the World (Ole, Ole, Ole), which appeared alongside Tubthumping on the official world cup album of that year in most countries (track listings slightly modified across regions). That song had a sneaky political undercurrent but would have been missed by many for sure.

I'm not even a Chumbawamba fan myself, but I find their antics pretty interesting. The reason they never scored with their follow album from 2000 was partly because it was a huge pisstake, parodying the pop culture they were now embedded in and even self-mocking at times, but mostly because the lead single was deliberatley so bad that radio wouldn't play it because "it wasn't credible". :lol:

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Post by AdvertBreak » 05 Mar 2016, 18:57

Anyway, here's every alternative rock album that reached number 1 in the 90s

In the UK:

The Charlatans - Some Friendly (1990, 1 week)
Jesus Jones - Doubt (1991, 1 week)
The Farm - Spartacus (1991, 1 week)
R.E.M. - Out of Time (1991, 1 week)
The Cure - Wish (1992, 1 week)
Carter the Unstoppable Sex Machine (Carter USM) - 1992: The Love Album (1992, 1 week)
The Smiths - Best...I (1992, 1 week)
R.E.M. - Automatic for the People (1992-93, 4 weeks)
The Cult - Pure Cult: for Rockers, Ravers, Lovers and Sinners (1993, 1 week)
Depeche Mode - Songs of Faith and Devotion (1993, 1 week)
Suede - Suede (1993, 1 week)
New Order - Republic (1993, 1 week)
U2 - Zooropa (1993, 1 week)
Nirvana - In Utero (1993, 1 week)
Tori Amos - Under the Pink (1994, 1 week)
Morrissey - Vauxhall and I (1994, 1 week)
Blur - Parklife (1994, 1 week)
Deacon Blue - Our Town: The Greatest Hits (1994, 1 week) [Alt rock?]
The Cranberries - Everybody Else is Doing It, So Why Can't We? (1994, 1 week)
Oasis - Definitely Maybe (1994, 1 week)
R.E.M. - Monster (1994, 1 week)
Nirvana - MTV Unplugged in New York (1994, 1 week)
The Beautiful South - Carry on Up the Charts (1994, 7 weeks)
Elastica - Elastica (1995, 1 week)
The Boo Radleys - Wake Up! (1995, 1 week)
Paul Weller - Stanley Road (1995, 1 week)
Supergrass - I Should Coco (1995, 3 weeks)
Black Grape - It's Great When You're Straight...Yeah! (1995, 2 weeks)
The Charlatans - The Charlatans (1995, 1 week)
The Levellers - Zeitgeist (1995, 1 week)
Blur - The Great Escape (1995, 2 weeks)
Oasis - (What's the Story) Morning Glory? (1995-96, 10 weeks)
Pulp - Different Class (1995, 1 week)
The Bluetones - Expecting to Fly (1996, 1 week)
Alanis Morissette - Jagged Little Pill (1996, 11 weeks)
Ash - 1977 (1996, 1 week)
Crowded House - Recurring Dream (1996, 2 weeks)
Suede - Coming Up (1996, 1 week)
R.E.M. - New Adventures in Hi-Fi (1996, 1 week)
Kula Shaker - K (1996, 1 week)
The Beautiful South - Blue is the Colour (1996, 1 week)
Reef - Glow (1997, 1 week)
Texas - White on Blonde (1997, 2 weeks)
Blur - Blur (1997, 1 week)
Mansun - Attack of the Grey Lantern (1997, 1 week)
U2 - Pop (1997, 1 week)
Depeche Mode - Ultra (1997, 1 week)
The Charlatans - Tellin' Stories (1997, 2 weeks)
Radiohead - OK Computer (1997, 1 week)
Oasis - Be Here Now (1997, 5 weeks)
Ocean Colour Scene - Marchin' Already (1997, 1 week)
The Verve - Urban Hymns (1997-98, 12 weeks)
James - The Best of (1998, 1 week)
Pulp - This is Hardcore (1998, 1 week)
Robbie Williams - Live thru a Lens (1998, 2 weeks) [it's Britpop]
Massive Attack - Mezzanine (1998, 2 weeks) [it counts imo]
Catatonia - International Velvet (1998, 1 week)
Garbage - Version 2.0 (1998, 1 week)
Embrace - The Good Will Out (1998, 1 week)
Manic Street Preachers - This is My Truth Tell Me Yours (1998, 1 week)
The Beautiful South - Quench (1998, 1 week)
Stereophonics - Performance and Cocktails (1999, 1 week)
Blur - 13 (1999, 2 weeks)
Cataonia - Equally Currsed and Blessed (1999, 1 week)
Suede - Head Music (1999, 1 week)
Texas - The Hush (1999, 1 week)
Travis - The Man Who (1999, 2 weeks)
Tom Jones - Reload (1999, 1 week)

and in the US:

R.E.M. - Out of Time (1991, 2 weeks)
U2 - Achtung Baby (1991, 1 week)
Nirvana - Nevermind (1992, 2 weeks)
Depeche Mode - Songs of Faith and Devotion (1993, 1 week)
U2 - Zooropa (1993, 2 weeks)
Nirvana - In Utero (1993, 2 weeks)
Pearl Jam - Vs. (1993, 5 weeks)
Alice in Chains -Jar of Flies (1994, 1 week)
Soundgarden - Superunknown (1994, 1 week)
Stone Temple Pilots - Purple (1994, 3 weeks)
R.E.M. - Monster (1994, 2 weeks)
Nirvana - Unplugged in New York (1994, 1 week)
Pearl Jam - Vitalogy (1994, 1 week)
Live - Throwing Copper (1995, 1 week)
Hootie & the Blowfish - Cracked Rear View (1995, 8 weeks)
Alanis Morissette - Jagged Little Pill (1995, 9 weeks)
The Smashing Pumpkins - Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness (1995, 1 week)
Rage Against the Machine - Evil Empire (1996, 1 week)
Hootie & the Blowfish - Fairweather Johnson (1996, 2 weeks)
Pearl Jam - No Code (1996, 2 weeks)
Nirvana - From the Muddy Banks of the Wishkah (1996, 1 week)
Counting Crows - Recovering the Satellites (1996, 1 week)
Bush - Razorblade Suitcase (1996, 2 weeks)
No Doubt - Tragic Kingdom (1996-97, 8 weeks)
U2 - Pop (1997, 1 week)
Live - Secret Samadhi (1997, 1 week)
Dave Matthews Band - Before These Crowded Streets (1998, 1 week)
Alanis Morissette - Supposed Former Infatuation Junkie (1998, 2 weeks)
NIN - The Fragile (1999, 1 week)
Rage Against the Machine - The Battle of Los Angeles (1999, 1 week)
[Two albums by Korn and one by Limp Bizkit removed]

UK wins fair and square.

Seriously, pretty much every album that was number 1 in America in the 90s was number one for like 5-10 weeks each! Except the alt rock ones.

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Post by TripleJay97 » 07 Mar 2016, 08:24

AdvertBreak wrote:Can anyone think of others?

Meanwhile, here's one I've been meaning to do for a while.

Albums that had mixed or negative reception at first and are now regarded as masterpieces. Some to begin with

The Beach Boys - Pet Sounds
Van Morrison - Astral Weeks
The Beatles - The White Album
The Beatles - Abbey Road
Paul & Linda McCartney - Ram
Genesis - Selling England by the Pound
David Bowie - Low
OMD - Dazzle Ships
Talk Talk - Spirit of Eden
Oasis - Morning Glory
Weezer - Pinkerton
All Cardiacs albums. Kinda.
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