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13 and OK Computer.

Postby TracyJosh » 12 Jul 2017, 03:45

American Alt. And Lo-Fi Rock are often cited as the main influence on self titled and I think lazily that gets shuffled on to 13 as well. I personally struggle to see much of that on 13 at all and I wondered if anyone else felt that OK Computer and it's universal acclaim is what gave Blur the green light to get weird with electronic sound scapes, feedbacks, vocal effects and drums loops on 13? I know they are very different albums but there are similarities in approach production wise and in how they are presented with all the cryptic interludes etc. For just one example, the guitar delay feedback overload as the rest of the music fades out at the end of '1992' is incredibly similar to the end of Karma Police.

Again, I'm not saying the boys ripped them off, no where near it, but surely they had one eye on how well received OK Computer was and it could have encouraged them to let loose? I personally find it astonishing how little has been said of the similarities between the later material of both bands in general anyway.
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Re: 13 and OK Computer.

Postby stephen » 12 Jul 2017, 12:11

It's not uncommon to hear that blur ripped off radiohead.
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Re: 13 and OK Computer.

Postby Rubi » 12 Jul 2017, 22:31

I find OK Computer to be more similar to the self-titled and Kid A to 13, to be honest.
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Re: 13 and OK Computer.

Postby TripleJay97 » 13 Jul 2017, 11:22

Rubi wrote:I find OK Computer to be more similar to the self-titled and Kid A to 13, to be honest.


Literally what I came here to comment.
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Re: 13 and OK Computer.

Postby TracyJosh » 13 Jul 2017, 22:49

I personally wouldn't have said that self titled was anything like OK Computer. Anyhow, it's actually besides the point I was making. 13 deviates drastically in production style and songwriting from anything released prior, it's more a question of if Blur made the conscious career decision to completely let loose musicially because OK Computer had changed the landscape of what a British pop/rock band could be and could get away with...
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Re: 13 and OK Computer.

Postby TripleJay97 » 14 Jul 2017, 19:54

Yeah, but then you have to think about how different the Great Escape was from the self titled album.
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Re: 13 and OK Computer.

Postby TracyJosh » 15 Jul 2017, 01:37

Lyrically S/T is very different to TGE, but musically it wasn't as dramatic a jump from S/T to 13. There's some of TGE sessions you could hear on S/T like He thought of cars, Man who left himself, Tame etc and vice versa Look inside America, MOR and On your own are still in keeping with Blur's mid 90s signature sound, but 13 was properly drastic and I think OK Computer's success could well have been a catalyst for that.
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Re: 13 and OK Computer.

Postby aldamasta » 17 Jul 2017, 05:26

I dunno, going from writing Yuko and Hiro to writing Essex Dogs is a world of change to me.
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Re: 13 and OK Computer.

Postby blurop4 » 20 Jul 2017, 03:53

I always thought Blur were a little ahead of Radiohead at this time. If I recall, 13 came out before Kid A, and while it did not get the same positive critical response in the US, I always thought it was much more experimental and challenging to listen to.

Also, not to diss too much on Radiohead, but anytime a band needs 3 guitarists to create a decent sound, when other like Blur or Muse get better guitar parts out of 1 person, is suspect :)
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Re: 13 and OK Computer.

Postby AdvertBreak » 29 Jul 2017, 03:09

TripleJay97 wrote:
Rubi wrote:I find OK Computer to be more similar to the self-titled and Kid A to 13, to be honest.


Literally what I came here to comment.

And me

Kid A and 13 are also the best albums ever made, so 8-)
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Re: 13 and OK Computer.

Postby bugman » 30 Jul 2017, 10:55

in this year okcomputer has an amazing reissue. i dream blur or 13 would have the same (3-4 unreleased full songs)
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Re: 13 and OK Computer.

Postby elasticaman » 30 Jul 2017, 22:06

considering the b-sides at the time were mainly remixes, theres a good chance that there isnt much in the way of unreleased songs
outsie of a couple of demos the initial jams that were used to form the final songs
of which we already got battle, caramel and mellow song right?... death metal may be the only unreleased thing from that time
as far as the song 1992, and its original demo, i recal martin from the fan club, reporting that he had heard the demos damon recorded in 1992, and that none of them were anything like that song, possibility that it was just a fabrication
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