TGTBTQ: Merrie Land Album Thread

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Re: TGTBTQ: Merrie Land Album Thread

Post by Neal Zeal » 23 Nov 2018, 18:03

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KingLouieLouie76 wrote: I honestly could care less about how albums chart nowadays since the music industry is in utter disarray. It's now how the album lasts and ages over the years now and to me this definitely will even improve over time... Such a damn good album indeed!
Record sales are, unfortunately, very important for most bands/acts (along with tour revenue). If they drop away disastrously like they appear to have done for GBQ it means they too will get dropped (by the record label), and will struggle to put out albums again in the future, and may have to disband. As a fan of the band in question, you probably could care less about that.
It's different with Damon, though. He is a multi-millionaire who is very creative and loves putting out new things, and will probably always have the means to do so, even if this means cross-subsidising from the Gorillaz.
One other aspect - if this really is the best thing he's done in 10 years (jury's still out for me), it's just a bit of a shame that so few people will get to hear it.

One aspect though is this a is more of a project than a full-fledged band really. 11 years between releases, two of the members are 60+. I don't know regardless of how well this album charted/sold that they would have immediately gone back to the studio to record another album. To me, Damon felt he owed the other three to do a follow-up album and feel much obliged in good faith to do so. If he really was thinking of sales, he would have made it more commercial sounding and compromise this wonderful body of work! I also never foresaw them embarking on a full-scale tour. They will just do more intimate gigs and some festival dates.

This and "TMW" are the 2 best albums Damon has been in involved with in the past 10 years! I still have this feeling that Blur will reform sometime in 2019 and maybe offer some new material.
Yeah, it is indeed different. Even with mega sales, as you say, he would probably want to keep it a side project. Must admit, the album hasn't won me over yet but will keep listening over the weekend. One advantage of low sales is that it will be relatively easy to see them in small-ish venues. I never saw them live the first time round so v much looking forward to having the chance to do so this time.

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Re: TGTBTQ: Merrie Land Album Thread

Post by idreamofpikas » 23 Nov 2018, 22:12

stephen wrote:
So...sales are important but because it's Damon it doesn't matter.

Glad we cleared that up.
Not just for Damon but a lot of the bigger acts. Record companies will subsidize side projects from artists that are profitable and Damon is still profitable.

The Gorillaz music released in the last two years has over 1 billion plays on Spotify and Youtube, thats 4 million from those 2 streaming sites alone, when you include the other streaming sites, actual sales, merch and other revenues and EMI will tolerate the hit, but given the lack of promotion they likely anticipated it.

The album is slowly picking up steam on Spotify and given Damon's fanbase it is going to sell/played worldwide,a moderate seller in many markets . Someone bought up Shed Seven but I imagine this will turn more of a profit worldwide even if it does worse in the UK.

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Re: TGTBTQ: Merrie Land Album Thread

Post by KingLouieLouie76 » 23 Nov 2018, 23:45

Neal Zeal wrote:
Yeah, it is indeed different. Even with mega sales, as you say, he would probably want to keep it a side project. Must admit, the album hasn't won me over yet but will keep listening over the weekend. One advantage of low sales is that it will be relatively easy to see them in small-ish venues. I never saw them live the first time round so v much looking forward to having the chance to do so this time.
They could still get large venues just based on name recognition of each respective member alone (IE Damon obviously). Damon does not emphasize commercialism nowadays, that's why everything for the most part is unconventional. He's now reached the point he's completely entitled to that.

I'm not saying he doesn't completely care about sales or reception of the album, but he doesn't need either to survive like he did earlier on in his career. This album probably didn't cost too much to make and the promotion behind it doesn't seem to be of an immense expense/amount either.

He wanted to use this project to get his views across and some perhaps will get alienated in the process.

As far as my listening experience. I gave it a 6.5/10 upon my first listen and then it has grown to a 8.5/10 for me! Just LOVE it! But lord.. "Imperial" is the best out of everything! I wish it was on the actual album itself!
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Post by TripleJay97 » 24 Nov 2018, 00:01

KingLouieLouie76 wrote:I honestly could care less about how albums chart nowadays since the music industry is in utter disarray. It's now how the album lasts and ages over the years now and to me this definitely will even improve over time... Such a damn good album indeed!
Hear hear!
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Post by Mark72 » 24 Nov 2018, 00:10

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KingLouieLouie76 wrote:I honestly could care less about how albums chart nowadays since the music industry is in utter disarray. It's now how the album lasts and ages over the years now and to me this definitely will even improve over time... Such a damn good album indeed!
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Post by munch » 24 Nov 2018, 02:06

tom_cas1 wrote:27 in the charts? Well that's what happens when there's next to no promotion. Well done.
aw shame. i can imagine The Truce of Twilight or Lady Boston getting a bit of radioplay.

the imperials pretty good. would be good on album
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Re: TGTBTQ: Merrie Land Album Thread

Post by TripleJay97 » 25 Nov 2018, 00:58

Quick thing, I just watched the film that the Merrie Land album cover is taken from, Dead of Night? I highly recommend it, fantastic little bit of storytelling.
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Post by Renny » 25 Nov 2018, 12:02

I'd love to have downloads of these extra tracks!

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Post by fishtentacles » 25 Nov 2018, 13:08

For me, St. George and the Blackbird sounds like something from 13, especially because of the guitar and the electric piano creating a calm atmosphere.

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Post by tom_cas1 » 25 Nov 2018, 16:31

Renny wrote:I'd love to have downloads of these extra tracks!
Me too. Hugely appreciated if anyone can share them here for us mere peasants. :)
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Post by northernmonkey » 25 Nov 2018, 21:25

Yep!! Sharing of these tracks would be most appreciated. :)

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Post by John_d » 25 Nov 2018, 23:56

I doubt Damon has any interest whatsoever in where this album charts. Am a bit surprised by the performance as it felt like the debut album had built up a pretty big cult following. But let's face it a lot of Clash fans are not about anymore and I wouldn't expect US Gorillaz fans to "get" this project. I think it's a great album and it has really grown on me. Nothing as immediately hooky or shiny as Herculean but I suppose that's the absence of Danger Mouse. He was on fire at that point in time, even if he did sort of edit out Tony Allen!

For a "supergroup" (not Damon's term I know) the Jools performances were very wonky. I saw an album review that commented on how solid Tony Visconti had made the recording of Gun To The Head, and how it almost fell apart during live performance on Jools, and I would 100% agree - so I hope they are up to speed by the time I see them next week.

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Re: TGTBTQ: Merrie Land Album Thread

Post by KingLouieLouie76 » 26 Nov 2018, 00:03

John_d wrote:I doubt Damon has any interest whatsoever in where this album charts. Am a bit surprised by the performance as it felt like the debut album had built up a pretty big cult following. But let's face it a lot of Clash fans are not about anymore and I wouldn't expect US Gorillaz fans to "get" this project. I think it's a great album and it has really grown on me. Nothing as immediately hooky or shiny as Herculean but I suppose that's the absence of Danger Mouse. He was on fire at that point in time, even if he did sort of edit out Tony Allen!

For a "supergroup" (not Damon's term I know) the Jools performances were very wonky. I saw an album review that commented on how solid Tony Visconti had made the recording of Gun To The Head, and how it almost fell apart during live performance on Jools, and I would 100% agree - so I hope they are up to speed by the time I see them next week.
You made several excellent points. There are though several new generation Clash fans, but this music obviously dramatically differs from that or Tony's time w/Fela Kuti and even from what Simon did on "Urban Hymns" (but he of course does not have the clout of the other three to begin with).
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Post by Pavlich » 26 Nov 2018, 03:57

John_d wrote:I doubt Damon has any interest whatsoever in where this album charts. Am a bit surprised by the performance as it felt like the debut album had built up a pretty big cult following. But let's face it a lot of Clash fans are not about anymore and I wouldn't expect US Gorillaz fans to "get" this project. I think it's a great album and it has really grown on me. Nothing as immediately hooky or shiny as Herculean but I suppose that's the absence of Danger Mouse. He was on fire at that point in time, even if he did sort of edit out Tony Allen!

For a "supergroup" (not Damon's term I know) the Jools performances were very wonky. I saw an album review that commented on how solid Tony Visconti had made the recording of Gun To The Head, and how it almost fell apart during live performance on Jools, and I would 100% agree - so I hope they are up to speed by the time I see them next week.
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