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The Cure Thread

Post by KingLouieLouie76 » 19 Mar 2016, 11:01

I've noticed there has never been an official thread dedicated towards the Cure in this forum until now (but was a survivor series). Robert Smith is simply a genius. I really loved their mid-late 80s period music the most...."Disintegration" is certainly my absolute fave.....Obviously "the Head on the Door" and "Kiss Me, Kiss Me, Kiss Me" both contained several wonderful moments as well.....

It's been awhile since they've released newer material and I hope they will soon....."4:13 Dream" wasn't all too bad to be honest, but I wouldn't rank/rate it up among their best though......
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Post by AdvertBreak » 19 Mar 2016, 18:48

LOVE THEM LOVE THEM LOVE THEM. I'm playing them right now actually, Pornography. What a tune!

I normally consider them my 4th favourite artist after Blur, Radiohead and Bowie.

And yes, Disintegration is indeed their best album, and its in my top 5 albums of all time. Besides 1989 I don't favour any particular era for the band. 1978-82 was obviously spellbinding, the pop era that followed was great. 90s Cure was underrated, as was Bloodflowers. Last two albums weren't tip top but it doesn't matter.

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Post by Mrbriggs » 20 Mar 2016, 07:14

I've only heard The Head on the Door and Pornography, but I like what I've heard so far.

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Post by KingLouieLouie76 » 20 Mar 2016, 12:21

Mrbriggs wrote:I've only heard The Head on the Door and Pornography, but I like what I've heard so far.

"Disintegration" is really a must-listen, but those aforementioned by you are definitely solid albums.

Quite honestly, I haven't been into them since "Wish", but I should give their more recent efforts a listen.
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Post by Mallard No. 22 » 24 Mar 2016, 07:33

Very consistent and they were doing good, left-of-centre type records in the later 80s, when few others were.

Unfortunately 'Friday I'm In Love' became a mainstream favourite and has been played to death.
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Post by KingLouieLouie76 » 24 Mar 2016, 14:53

Mallard No. 22 wrote:Very consistent and they were doing good, left-of-centre type records in the later 80s, when few others were.

Unfortunately 'Friday I'm In Love' became a mainstream favourite and has been played to death.


Agreed..and even "Love Song"....but "Friday I'm In Love" is the last time they've had any relevancy here in the States.....
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Post by AdvertBreak » 24 Mar 2016, 16:19

Friday I'm In Love ruins the mood of Wish a bit. It's not the only, well, happy song on a generally miserable (in the best way) album but its feels the most out of place.

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Post by KingLouieLouie76 » 24 Mar 2016, 19:54

AdvertBreak wrote:Friday I'm In Love ruins the mood of Wish a bit. It's not the only, well, happy song on a generally miserable (in the best way) album but its feels the most out of place.
That is true, but they needed a stand-out track to be a guaranteed hit single......Again, creative compromise at its worst.......
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Post by AdvertBreak » 25 Mar 2016, 04:17

I don't mind the song on its own. Nice bit of sunshine pop with a daft but fun lyrical motif. But those that thought Lovesong was out of place on Disintegration must have been pulling their hair out. Maybe having Wendy Time and Doing the Unstuck right before it softens the blow though.

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Post by AdvertBreak » 07 Sep 2016, 02:37

Going through another major Cure phase atm tbh. I go through them a lot but this one has been focused in on the Wish era largely.

In the last few weeks I've watched Show a lot on YouTube, my parents saw them on that tour (Wish Tour) in Birmingham. So I'm gonna make some general comments about this era on the whole

As live albums, Show and Paris are good although Show pails because it does not feature the encore, unlike the video. Paris' largely deep cut selection and album length makes it the more connoisseur of the two records whereas Show would be better aimed at less serious fans who are happy to have hits, a few choice cuts and a whole 8 songs from Wish (too many, to be honest.)

The B-sides from Wish could often be better than the A-sides and most songs on Wish itself. The three singles from Wish were High, Friday I'm in Love and A Letter to Elise, and all three had stronger B-sides (This Twilight Garden, Halo and the Big Hand, and in most formats more).

A parallel universe where those B-sides would have been the A-sides would have been quite something. Looking from a mainstream perspective, many remember Friday I'm in Love whereas High and Elise are more neglected (despite High getting to #8 in the charts, and Elise being popular with critics.) High is far from my favourite song in this era, and although its good, The Twilight Garden is much more memorable and distinctive, and if that was the lead single that kicked off the era instead I'd recon we'd have another iconic Cure song on our hands (and it is iconic to fans, where its long been a favourite), but sadly they pushed it to B-side status. It's the same story with Halo. I mean, sure Friday I'm in Love was basically written as a hit, but its week-reading lyrics are sure a bit banal and maybe the song is too giddy for its own good (a lot of Cure fans hate it), whereas its B-side Halo betters Friday in every way: the happiness is just as excited and gleeful as in Friday, but as a song its much more contained, and much more deep and pretty, and therefore more enjoyable. Is it as catchy? It sure is, the vocal melody and bassline carry the song as hooks (like many a Cure song) that stay on the brain. If it was the A-side instead the Cure would have still had another hit and it wouldn't be one that was in any way a little banal or indeed hated like Friday.

High and Friday I'm in Love both had other B-sides besides the aformentioned, namely "Play", "Scared as You" and two remixes of the A-sides, and although these are less loveable they still would sound great on the album Wish itself. The High remix in fact (Higher Mix) is very fine, making the song sound more ethereal and glittery. But anyway, onto A Letter to Elise's B-sides, The Big Hand and A Foolish Arrangement (plus a remix of Elise), and interestingly enough The Big Hand was intended to be its own single in early 1993 and indeed to appear on Wish, but drummer Boris Williams didn't want it on the album but was happy for it to be a B-side (irritating then that he left the band after the Wish era.) But for a lot of Cure fans the Big Hand is just as great, maybe even more so, than the Twilight Garden and Halo, though I disagree, as I think those two songs are the best the band did in this era alongside Apart (which is on Wish).

So I've got this far without talking about Wish itself. Well as you may know Disintegration is my fave Cure album and 5th favourite album of all time, so had I been alive in 1992 it was hardly likely Wish would ever top it. But in the general consensus, Wish is a good, but not great album. Rather than the all bleak template of Disintegration, Wish has some dark songs and some lighter songs (annoying seeing people say, that it's a pop album, or a dark album, or so forth, when its both and neither concurrently.) It's fair to say the darkest songs are just as dark as the darkest on Disintegration: Apart is among the darkest and my favourite on the album, a gloomy pit of a unsure breakup, and Trust works in similar ways. And the general dark songs on the album are by far the best: the rockier Deep Green Sea and Cut are two other favourites of mine.

Then in the mid-ground are the likes of Open and End, which are okay, but my issue with Open is that, fine song though it is, it isn't as great as grabbing you into Wish as the mystic gorgenousness of Plainsong on Disintegration. Sure, fair enough for not wanting to repeat that record's template, but for quite a while on Wish there aren't as strong enough hooks (even in lead single High on track 2!) which is no problem in itself but it does make it less loveable than Disintegration. The poppier side of the album is the least interesting. I already mentioned the singles but there is also the likes of Wendy Time and Doing the Unstuck (tracks 5 and 6, followed by Friday at track 7) which aren't, to be honest, as great as they should be. Wendy Time in particular is a bit meandering. These are still good songs though, but the dip in quality is quite apparent.

Wish could easily be improved by taking out some tracks and putting in others (This Twilight Garden and Halo in particular, which are the best 90s Cure songs alongside Apart.) In late 1993, the Cure put out a limited edition cassette EP to fans called Lost Wishes which contains four lovely, ethereal instrumental tracks from the Wish sessions which were never used. I'd have loved to have seen one of these actually make it into Wish, especially Uyea Sound or Off to Sleep. But despite all the inconsistencies in the Wish era, its still their last great, long era (the following Wild Mood Swings era was long flawed, and the Bloodflowers era after that was great but short lived.)

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