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Re: Songs which sound like other genres

Posted: 04 Nov 2015, 00:48
by AdvertBreak
There's a guy on Wikipedia who always decides to remove references on XTC pages about them being post-punk. But they sort of are, really, and there are many sources to back it up. But they also just as much new wave.

Re: Songs which sound like other genres

Posted: 04 Nov 2015, 01:30
by KingLouieLouie76
Mallard No. 22 wrote:Interesting comments about REM 'Monster' - I am going to have to dig it out and play it again. :idea:

I haven't done since it was released - which was on the precipice between grunge and Britpop, which is probably why it sounds why it does :)

P.S. KLL76: The Cars - I would class them as New Wave - and in terms of the USA in this respect, they were contemporary to Blondie.
The Cars influenced several.. including Weezer. in fact.... The "P" in "Friends of P" is influenced by Ric Ocasek (who has produced both bands and was the Cars singer/rhythm guitarist), wife (former Supermodel), Paulina Porizkova. He also produced both the "Blue" and "Green" albums.....

I think they were more than just New Wave though......

Re: Songs which sound like other genres

Posted: 06 Nov 2015, 07:25
by Mallard No. 22
The points of reference I have were their UK success, which in 78-79 ('Just What I Needed') was New Wave. By 84-85 ('Drive') they were AOR.

I much preferred the former.

Re: REM 'Monster' sounding like Britpop. Upon listening again, it strikes me as North American indie-rock more than anything else (given the singer's USA accent).

IIRC at the time it was regarded as a 'heavier' album than their previous work, so grunge must have had some influence. But it doesn't strike me as having the booming bass lines of grunge.

Re: Songs which sound like other genres

Posted: 06 Nov 2015, 14:33
by AdvertBreak
I was taking Michael's voice out of it when I said it was Britpoppy.

Here's another. Graham Coxon's Satan I Gatan sounds sort of industrial, techno/electronic.

Re: Songs which sound like other genres

Posted: 06 Nov 2015, 14:38
by KingLouieLouie76
Mallard No. 22 wrote:
Re: REM 'Monster' sounding like Britpop. Upon listening again, it strikes me as North American indie-rock more than anything else (given the singer's USA accent).

IIRC at the time it was regarded as a 'heavier' album than their previous work, so grunge must have had some influence. But it doesn't strike me as having the booming bass lines of grunge.

Here in the States were started grouping bands with that sound as "Alternative"... but lord that is so broad in meaning obviously.... But the overall soundscape of
"Monster" to me is more "Britpop" than anything else really... such a departure from what they did w/"Automatic for the People" (one of their most underrated albums). Only "What the Frequency Kenneth" is Grunge sounding...

Re: Songs which sound like other genres

Posted: 06 Nov 2015, 16:38
by AdvertBreak
I was just playing tracks from it. I don't hear the grunge in Kenneth at all. It's 100% Britpop, to me. In addition to Bluetones/Shed Seven who I mentioned, its also like Cast, Longpigs, Seahorses etc.

And sorta ahead of the curve too, coming out just as Britpop was being recognized as an actual thing.

Re: Songs which sound like other genres

Posted: 06 Nov 2015, 21:05
by KingLouieLouie76
AdvertBreak wrote:I was just playing tracks from it. I don't hear the grunge in Kenneth at all. It's 100% Britpop, to me. In addition to Bluetones/Shed Seven who I mentioned, its also like Cast, Longpigs, Seahorses etc.

And sorta ahead of the curve too, coming out just as Britpop was being recognized as an actual thing.

The guitar-work (the rhythm and lead-guitar) made it more "Grunge" sounding to me, but true in an overall contents it is easy to sense that Britpop vibe there. And I do concur the entire album to me is more Britpop than anything else really.... Just an eclectic mix of sound....

Re: Songs which sound like other genres

Posted: 06 Nov 2015, 22:05
by AdvertBreak
The guitars are the most Britpop thing about it in my ears haha. I recon that's a good thing for any track, that people hear different things from it. :)

Re: Songs which sound like other genres

Posted: 07 Nov 2015, 06:36
by KingLouieLouie76
AdvertBreak wrote:The guitars are the most Britpop thing about it in my ears haha. I recon that's a good thing for any track, that people hear different things from it. :)

Okay..it's a cross of Grunge and BritPop! :lol:


The following song nails several genres...... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUFwA_ZPFxg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Re: Songs which sound like other genres

Posted: 10 Nov 2015, 08:24
by Mallard No. 22
:D One point I will make is that REM were popular with the indie crowd in the years leading up to Britpop. Their albums were keenly awaited, their activities keenly reported in the music press.

It could be that Britpop took strong influences from what REM had been doing. Viewed from now, this has been inverted to imply that 'REM sounded like Britpop'.

Re: Songs which sound like other genres

Posted: 13 Nov 2015, 12:48
by AdvertBreak
I used to think Muse's Undisclosed Desires was a dead ringer for Depeche Mode, and now I know I'm not the only one.

That synth sound is perhaps a bit different than DM, but the lyrics, vocals, music [both in structure and sound] and production are very Mode.

Re: Songs which sound like other genres

Posted: 02 Jan 2016, 16:51
by AdvertBreak
U2 - Mysterious Ways (Madchester/baggy)
George Michael - Freedom 90 (Madchester/baggy)

Also, give a listen to Jim Bowen (from Bullseye)'s hilariously awful Jim Bowen Rap, from 1990. Again its in a Madchester/baggy style although as its a novelty song it better fits alongside other same-ish era tracks like Loadsamoney (Doin' Up the House), Pump Up the Bitter and N-N-Nineteen Not Out.

Re: Songs which sound like other genres

Posted: 06 Jan 2016, 07:44
by Mallard No. 22
I agree with the above and I remember the George Michael album being popular at the time. Indeed I bought it.

Nowadays it wouldn't be bracketed in with that scene, even though the track you mention epitomises it.

I don't remember Jim Bowen's record (& don't really want to :) ) but there was a lot of novelty records at the time, as there tends to be when one musical period is declining to a close, and the next one has yet to establish. Such records tend to parody the current musical fashions, whether good or bad, which dates them quickly.

At around that time Jonathan King decided to celebrate his '25 years in music' and re-mixed his version of 'Let It All Hang Out' with the "whoo, yeah" backing vocals (which IIRC were sampled from James Brown).

Re: Songs which sound like other genres

Posted: 23 Jan 2016, 03:24
by AdvertBreak
I've never heard it but you're definitely right. Although I'd say that some were popular in the peak of a genre. For example the aforementioned Loads-a-mone! and Pump Up the Bitter were both 1987/88 and sample-based house music was still huge in that era.

Although as for in the wane of a genre there's many more examples. In 1989 there was Duran Duran's Burning the Ground which was also based in a cut-and-paste style, although its basically a megamix of their greatest hits rather than an attempt to latch onto house or anything, but it was still a reflection of what was current...Ironically, that was also the year of Jive Bunny, whose awful megamixes of old rock and roll songs were number one for weeks. And that 'Jive Bunny' was presented as a DJ rabbit, it was probably seen as latching onto 'trends' for the sake of novelty music. The KLF (Timelords)' Doctorin' the Tardis from the year before was essentially the kings of underground sample-based house making a deliberately cilched, novelty record from samples and they had a hit with it. I guess I'm trying to say that it was a bit of a melting pot. Lots of different ideas in music crossed over in the wake of Pump Up the Volume, Beat Dis, S Express etc. etc, even if for the sake of novelty music. They saw the dawn of sample-based hits as an easy shot.

Re: Songs which sound like other genres

Posted: 23 Jan 2016, 08:07
by Mallard No. 22
Yes, good analysis. I was then (& remain now) quite baffled as to how Jive Bunny had such success.

I suppose the everyday audience likes to party and likes the familiar. And as you mention, in the same time period the final Style Council album was rejected.

Thus, records like Jive Bunny will fill the dancefloor at a wedding. Whereas a house track might get them walking home. :cry: