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Re: The Kinks Thread

Post by MrMagpie » 25 Feb 2015, 02:23

Nice! I'd love to get those, it's too bad RSD has turned into the antithesis of what it was meant to be.
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Re: The Kinks Thread

Post by MrMagpie » 31 Mar 2015, 14:05

Just a random thought as I binge listen to the Kinks, but never understood why people (including his own bandmates) always poked fun at Avory's drumming? He's a great drummer and I've always considered him one of the best of the 1960s and 70s. Great groove and feel and he had some serious chops. The band was never as good once the heavy-handed Henrit (yay alliteration) took over in 1984/85.

Also, Dave's harmonies with Ray = gorgeous. Always gives me chills when they trade vocals or harmonize.
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Re: The Kinks Thread

Post by KingLouieLouie76 » 03 Apr 2015, 07:41

MrMagpie wrote:Just a random thought as I binge listen to the Kinks, but never understood why people (including his own bandmates) always poked fun at Avory's drumming? He's a great drummer and I've always considered him one of the best of the 1960s and 70s. Great groove and feel and he had some serious chops. The band was never as good once the heavy-handed Henrit (yay alliteration) took over in 1984/85.

Also, Dave's harmonies with Ray = gorgeous. Always gives me chills when they trade vocals or harmonize.
I agree with both your points! Obviously, Mick will never get a fair appraisal from Dave (and perhaps Ray doesn't want to strike a further negative chord by praising Mick), but he was/is a solid drummer. I feel he really exhibited that during "Village Green" album and he was at his best during "Shangri-La".....Also, he was very steady and helped anchor the band live (evidence during the time they toured in the late 70s-early 80s)..... Also, I feel Pete was at his best just prior to his departure and I think him and along with Mick would have reached newer heights together. I honestly don't think Dalton nor Rodford established the chemistry that Pete had w/Mick.

The Davies harmonies were so solid that it is very understated. I think Pete's harmonies (more apparent live) was solid throughout his tenure in the band.

I just cringe when people say the Kinks were merely just the Davies and no one else....Mick and Pete really added so much and Dalton and later on Rodford to a lesser extent... Henrit I could care less about!
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Re: The Kinks Thread

Post by MrMagpie » 09 Apr 2015, 14:48

I'm going through a bunch of live Kinks bootlegs...shows from '67, '69, '70, next up is a full Preservation show from '74, some '77, '82...Avory is killer on all of it. Not only that, on the '69-'70 shows, they play a bunch of obscure material and JAM...10 minute version of "Last of the Steam Powered Trains," 8 minutes of "You're Looking Fine..." The revelation is Dave...I've always rated him highly as a guitarist but he is SMOKING on these live shows.


Also, here's my latest review:

Ray Davies: A Complicated Life by Johnny Rogan

http://rnrchemist.blogspot.com/2015/04/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ... -life.html

Very controversial...I've even been threatened over it on a Kinks Facebook group by a friend of Ray's over liking the book!

However, I've had several long discussions with David Quaife regarding the book (he was interviewed extensively for it) and besides being a great guy, he shares my view. I'm even flattered he took the time to comment on my review on my blog :).
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Re: The Kinks Thread

Post by KingLouieLouie76 » 10 Apr 2015, 11:10

MrMagpie wrote:I'm going through a bunch of live Kinks bootlegs...shows from '67, '69, '70, next up is a full Preservation show from '74, some '77, '82...Avory is killer on all of it. Not only that, on the '69-'70 shows, they play a bunch of obscure material and JAM...10 minute version of "Last of the Steam Powered Trains," 8 minutes of "You're Looking Fine..." The revelation is Dave...I've always rated him highly as a guitarist but he is SMOKING on these live shows.


Also, here's my latest review:

Ray Davies: A Complicated Life by Johnny Rogan

http://rnrchemist.blogspot.com/2015/04/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ... -life.html

Very controversial...I've even been threatened over it on a Kinks Facebook group by a friend of Ray's over liking the book!

However, I've had several long discussions with David Quaife regarding the book (he was interviewed extensively for it) and besides being a great guy, he shares my view. I'm even flattered he took the time to comment on my review on my blog :).

First, quite an endorsement from David and for him to post in your blog as well is definitely impressive! I know you seem to loathe them, but there are always several parallels between the Beach Boys and the Kinks. Especially when it pertains to both Brian Wilson and Ray. I bet the book went into major detail about Ray's breakdowns. I'm shocked someone would deem that book controversial! You have firsthand accounts from everyone involved...Rather peculiar indeed!

What's your favorite Kinks era? Mine is definitely when Peter was in the band....I am always mixed when Dalton was a member and I actually prefer Rodford's period over Dalton's (well up to when Mick was dismissed).....

I love Mick's drumming on "Last of the Steam Powered Trains" and also on "Picture Book".....Also, he shines whenever they performed "Big Sky" live (which is within my all-time five Kinks songs)....
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Re: The Kinks Thread

Post by MrMagpie » 10 Apr 2015, 13:46

I don't loathe the Beach Boys...I actually quite like their stuff up through the early 70s. I do think they're overrated...Pet Sounds is a great album but I don't rank it nearly as highly as most others. The only Beach Boys stuff I loathe is when they turned to cheese from the mid-1970s onward :).

Favorite Kinks era, hmm....I'd have to say anything and everything between '64 and '74 is just top notch to me. I also love '75-'84 although I'm not so keen on Soap Opera (it's good but not great) and while Rodford subbing in for Dalton was OK, I'm not a fan of Henrit's drumming. Word of Mouth is the last Kinks album I love from beginning to end...after that, the albums are solid but not great (although they each have a handful of fantastic tracks) and I hate their live sound after Avory left the band.
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Re: The Kinks Thread

Post by KingLouieLouie76 » 11 Apr 2015, 19:52

MrMagpie wrote:I don't loathe the Beach Boys...I actually quite like their stuff up through the early 70s. I do think they're overrated...Pet Sounds is a great album but I don't rank it nearly as highly as most others. The only Beach Boys stuff I loathe is when they turned to cheese from the mid-1970s onward :).

Favorite Kinks era, hmm....I'd have to say anything and everything between '64 and '74 is just top notch to me. I also love '75-'84 although I'm not so keen on Soap Opera (it's good but not great) and while Rodford subbing in for Dalton was OK, I'm not a fan of Henrit's drumming. Word of Mouth is the last Kinks album I love from beginning to end...after that, the albums are solid but not great (although they each have a handful of fantastic tracks) and I hate their live sound after Avory left the band.

First, regarding the Beach Boys....It's unfortunate "Smile" didn't materialize accordingly during '66/'67....It would have even been superior to "Pet Sounds"... "Good Vibrations" and what is later captured on the 2011 "Smile" release offers an extensive glimpse into that. Brian decided to scale back everything which resulted into "Smilie Smile" which as Carl Wilson stated was a bunt, but not a grandslam that "Smile" was meant to be. But that album now is so intriguing in every regard... "Wild Honey and "Friends" are two you must listen to (if you haven't)... "20/20" was the first album Brian did not contribute much newer material and it was a very disjointed album, but featured several standouts. "Sunflower" had Brian back in full force, but he contributed minimally to "Surf's Up", Carl and the Passions (So Tough)", and "Holland", but the trilogy was brilliant.... They did take a step backwards on 1976's "15 Big Ones", but 1977 "Beach Boys Love You" album had Brian back true to form with innovative sounds... However, "MIU" and "Light Album" were rather inferior, and 1980s "Keep the Summer Alive" had them rebounding somewhat... Their releases since (except for their last album, "That's Why God Made the Radio, which had Brian fully back in control), have been rather horrid... "Kokomo" really disturbs me.... Even their pre-"Pet Sounds" albums were brilliant... I'm not talking about just their surf/car related songs, but some of their ballads had a younger Brian maturing ahead of practically everyone... They and the Beatles had an excellent rivalry going on... both were regarded as the 2 best bands in the mid-60s (even in the UK the Beach Boys managed a vast appreciation)....

Anyways, back to the Kinks.... I was basing the eras on the respective bassists..... But I would agree with you on '64...but probably ending in '72 because I cannot tolerate "Preservation Act 1/2", and "Soap Opera".. I've always been mixed on "Schoolboys in Disgrace", but I love everything they did after that until "Word of Mouth" (but I love "Do It Again" and "Living On A Thin Line")..... "Phobia" offered some decent moments.... but out of the Henrit era songs my absolute fave is "To the Bone" which to me are the Kinks returning to true form!

Interestingly enough...there was once a blog comparing the Kinks to the Beach Boys from late-60s - early 70s....an interesting read.....
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Re: The Kinks Thread

Post by MrMagpie » 13 Apr 2015, 13:49

Ah, see I used to hate the Preservation albums when I was a kid but I fucking love them now, absolutely adore them. I've got a great live boot from '74 and it's even better live! Soap Opera is "meh" but Schoolboys is great and everything from there up to and including Word of Mouth I think is great. "Living On a Thin Line" is such a great Dave song and it's tucked into Word of Mouth almost like an afterthought! The last 3 studio albums have a handful of great tunes and some weaker but enjoyable filler...it's just sad how the Kinks kind of withered away after 1984, though.
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Post by KingLouieLouie76 » 14 Apr 2015, 07:34

MrMagpie wrote:Ah, see I used to hate the Preservation albums when I was a kid but I fucking love them now, absolutely adore them. I've got a great live boot from '74 and it's even better live! Soap Opera is "meh" but Schoolboys is great and everything from there up to and including Word of Mouth I think is great. "Living On a Thin Line" is such a great Dave song and it's tucked into Word of Mouth almost like an afterthought! The last 3 studio albums have a handful of great tunes and some weaker but enjoyable filler...it's just sad how the Kinks kind of withered away after 1984, though.

I must admit that I haven't listened to Preservation 1/2 in such a long time.....I honestly didn't give them both enough of a chance. "Schoolboys" album sounds so damn good live! IE "the Hard Way"...... Such a standout on its own...I even loved when they performed it live w/Rodford...Here's an excellent version of it! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMRtRAzVMpo" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Ray's mask! :lol:
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Post by MrMagpie » 14 Apr 2015, 13:35

Nice! Yeah, the trio of I'm in Disgrace, Headmaster, and The Hard Way is an awesome 1-2-3 punch. A definite highlight on the album. I would urge you to listen to Preservation 1&2 again...they're really great. Some fantastic songs: Preservation, Sweet Lady Genevieve (a stunning song), One of the Survivors (ditto), Daylight, Demolition, He's Evil (awesome songs), Money Talks, Slum Kids, Mirror of Love, Money and Corruption...loads of great tunes on those albums.
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Post by KingLouieLouie76 » 14 Apr 2015, 13:59

MrMagpie wrote:Nice! Yeah, the trio of I'm in Disgrace, Headmaster, and The Hard Way is an awesome 1-2-3 punch. A definite highlight on the album. I would urge you to listen to Preservation 1&2 again...they're really great. Some fantastic songs: Preservation, Sweet Lady Genevieve (a stunning song), One of the Survivors (ditto), Daylight, Demolition, He's Evil (awesome songs), Money Talks, Slum Kids, Mirror of Love, Money and Corruption...loads of great tunes on those albums.

I will sit down over the weekend and give both Preservations proper listens....


What are your top-10 favorite Kinks songs? Mine in no particular order:

1) "I'm Not Like Everybody Else"
2) "Destroyer"
3) "Shang-ri la"
4) "Where Have All The Good Times Gone"
5) "Big Sky"
6) "Sunny Afternoon"
7) "Waterloo Sunset"
8) "Rosie Won't You Please Come Home"
9) "Dead End Street"
10) "Tired Of Waiting For You"

Okay, that is mine at the moment and always subject to change....I could lists several honorable mentions...what a difficult task to just list 10!
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Post by MrMagpie » 14 Apr 2015, 14:36

Oh God, how do I choose only 10?! :lol: In no particular order:

1. See My Friends
2. Waterloo Sunset
3. Shagri-La
4. Do You Remember Walter?
5. Sweet Lady Genevieve
6. Juke Box Music
7. Do it Again
8. Sunny Afternoon
9. Lola
10. Powerman

but I'd also put in songs like Apeman, You Really Got Me, All Day and All of the Night, Tired of Waiting For You, Sleepwalker, Life Goes On, One of the Survivors, Living on a Thin Line, Funny Face, Death of a Clown, David Watts, Autumn Almanac, Picture Book, People Take Pictures of Each Other, Victoria, 20th Century Man...I mean, I could list probably 100 songs! :lol:
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Post by MrMagpie » 14 Apr 2015, 14:50

BTW if you wanna hear the Kinks rock out in awesome 1950s style, "One of the Survivors"...and turn it up LOUD.
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Post by KingLouieLouie76 » 15 Apr 2015, 07:46

Okay....I compared your list to mine and I honestly forgot about "Victoria" (haven't listened to that in such a long time)....."See My Friends", "I Am Free", and "Set Me Free"... Okay..... I can just sit there and add everything from their entire catalog!

You're right about "One of the Survivors"...such an amazing song! I will check on the remainder of "Preservation 1" along w/"2".......

How do you feel about "Wicked Annabella"? I love that song, but to me it seems out of place on "Village Green"....but then it wouldn't be the same without it!
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Post by MrMagpie » 15 Apr 2015, 13:15

Exactly! Every concept album has a song or two that is great, but out of place, but still would diminish the album if it were removed. I think it's got a great, weird sound to it with the slackened drums, fuzzy guitar, mellotron, and those weird vocals. Great tune.
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