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Post by Mallard No. 22 » 03 Dec 2015, 08:41

Yes, nice bit of flute like that always take you somewhere :D

Sadly, so much of Top of the Pops from that period is lost, including the edition with 'Cottonfields' on.

The Kinks 'Lola' and 'Apeman' appearances from 1970-71 do survive, in colour.
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Post by KingLouieLouie76 » 03 Dec 2015, 23:51

Mallard No. 22 wrote:Yes, nice bit of flute like that always take you somewhere :D

Sadly, so much of Top of the Pops from that period is lost, including the edition with 'Cottonfields' on.

The Kinks 'Lola' and 'Apeman' appearances from 1970-71 do survive, in colour.

On the studio version it was Carl playing performing every vocal part and every instrument (except for flute and sax that Charles Lloyd, who is also featured in that video played on the record as well).....


This right here is after the "Wild Honey" album first came out and the live recordings are amazing! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXmTt_JJWR4" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Post by Mallard No. 22 » 08 Dec 2015, 07:10

Did the Beach Boys do much touring after 'Pet Sounds'?
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Post by KingLouieLouie76 » 09 Dec 2015, 00:25

Mallard No. 22 wrote:Did the Beach Boys do much touring after 'Pet Sounds'?

Do you mean immediately after and in support of "Pet Sounds" or just in general?

Here's a clip I discovered from an interview of a Carl Wilson biographer and it's BEYOND amazing! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMFsy9fIaqQ" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Post by Mallard No. 22 » 11 Dec 2015, 07:43

Yes, I was meaning in the late 60s period, c.1966-70.

Given that e.g. The Beatles stopped touring, and the Stones reduced their live appearances, in this period.
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Post by KingLouieLouie76 » 12 Dec 2015, 13:51

Mallard No. 22 wrote:Yes, I was meaning in the late 60s period, c.1966-70.

Given that e.g. The Beatles stopped touring, and the Stones reduced their live appearances, in this period.

Oh...the Beach Boys went on tour full steam ahead during those years. You must not overlook how Brian stopped touring w/them in Dec 1964 (was briefly replaced on tour by Glen Campbell) after his breakdown on an airplane. That's what afforded him time to work on "Pet Sounds" and lay down the framework when the rest of the band (w/defacto member, Bruce Johnston served in Brian's place while on tour) and then the band returned from touring to contribute their respective parts.

The same actually happened during the then aborted "Smile" sessions, but the band had conflicting views on the direction Brian was headed in (IE Mike Love).

This setlist link is very valuable...http://www.setlist.fm/setlists/the-beac ... 6c17b.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; It includes every documented Beach Boys concert and you'd notice they had 100+ during those years you inquired. A few times Brian did join them on stage and then he returned back fulltime w/them on stage from 1976 until the mid-80s and briefly in the 90s..... Dennis passed in '83 and Carl in '96.... Al left and was since fired.....Mike and Bruce perform with a few others under the Beach Boys guise today....

There are several concerts on youtube...France in particular did an excellent job in preserving their footage....
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Post by Mallard No. 22 » 15 Dec 2015, 07:15

Thankyou for posting the link to the concert listings. A whole lot of info on there for numerous artists. Some interesting gigs in the 60s in my home town :D

I see that the Beach Boys did a UK tour in spring 1967, including playing the NME Poll Winners Concert. TV footage of that possibly exists.

It was an unusual set-up that probably worked for the Beach Boys. Their leader remained in the studio with a production team doing experimental work, but the main band kept going for the public with straightforward songs. And so the TV and concert appearances could continue, to keep their singles in the charts.

By contrast The Beatles merely stopped touring, and concentrated solely on the studio. If they had done a 'Beach Boys' it would have emerged as the fab four touring with jingly-jangly songs, and Sgt. Pepper being mostly written, orchestrated and recorded by George Martin, and performed by session musicians.... :shock: :!:
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Post by KingLouieLouie76 » 16 Dec 2015, 02:59

Mallard No. 22 wrote:Thankyou for posting the link to the concert listings. A whole lot of info on there for numerous artists. Some interesting gigs in the 60s in my home town :D

I see that the Beach Boys did a UK tour in spring 1967, including playing the NME Poll Winners Concert. TV footage of that possibly exists.

It was an unusual set-up that probably worked for the Beach Boys. Their leader remained in the studio with a production team doing experimental work, but the main band kept going for the public with straightforward songs. And so the TV and concert appearances could continue, to keep their singles in the charts.

By contrast The Beatles merely stopped touring, and concentrated solely on the studio. If they had done a 'Beach Boys' it would have emerged as the fab four touring with jingly-jangly songs, and Sgt. Pepper being mostly written, orchestrated and recorded by George Martin, and performed by session musicians.... :shock: :!:

Yeah..such a value resource that site is! Well..the remainder of the band would return from touring and Brian was willing to receive their input and really valued Carl's (the youngest brother Wilson) input especially. He played guitar on most tracks (mainly lead) and then the rest of the band would overdub instruments of their own and then Brian would make sure they each perfected their vocal parts.

It seemed they would attempt some more experimental numbers whenever the rare occasion Brian would join them on stage, but Mike Love preferred the classic surf and car songs... Brian wanted to distance himself from that..even to the extent he wanted the band to be called just "Beach".....he also retreated from them.. his breakdowns some times are blown out of proportion.... he for a couple years devoted more time w/his wife (and sister-in-law) band called Spring (eventually American Spring).... Or some times he'd try to get involve, but the others (and the record company) would reject a couple of his ideas and sometimes he'd manage to convince them otherwise... although..several of his songs managed to stand-out during those early 70s albums.....


Edit: To clarify.. only really during "Pet Sounds" and the aborted "Smile" sessions did they have more studio musicians.... the later albums (from "Smiley Smile" onward) were the band and some times part of the touring ensemble contributing.....
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Post by Mallard No. 22 » 18 Dec 2015, 06:52

The move from the more basic music of the mid 60s (R&B etc) into new styles like psychedelic & baroque with more instruments and multi-track stereo meant that more precise playing was necessary.

There was always an 'X-Factor/American Idol' aspect to music. Producers found that the precise playing of good session musicians was better than trying to get indifferent band members to play on the song.

Band members may have been better-looking, but good session men (& women) were professionals who could record a demanding musical part in one take. This is evident in how the Beach Boys worked, just as e.g. The Monkees, Hermans Hermits and The Love Affair did.
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Post by KingLouieLouie76 » 18 Dec 2015, 12:43

But the Beach Boys only relied heavily on studio musicians (the Wrecking Crew) mainly on Pet Sounds and later "Smile" (which was was shelved for several years), but track by track each actual member still contributed their respective instruments in some instances... Carl again was a constant on guitar, Brian prominently played organ during those sessions, Denny played drums on some tracks, and Al some guitar. They always played their own instruments before (except maybe an instance in which they called on Hal Blaine to play drums) and afterwards (some times a touring member might contribute some)... When they performed live, there wasn't a drop-off whatsoever from how it sounded in the studio. Some times they took a minimalist approach live, but that was only for a brief period.

Carl in particular was probably the most talented and he hadn't graduated high school as of yet when they initially began!
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Post by davidsutter » 18 Dec 2015, 14:29

Carl sang and played every part on Good Timin, didn't he? I'm thinking I read something about that.

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Post by KingLouieLouie76 » 18 Dec 2015, 17:06

davidsutter wrote:Carl sang and played every part on Good Timin, didn't he? I'm thinking I read something about that.

No, but he actually performed every instrument (but for sax and flute) and all vocals on "Feel Flows" later made more popular by the cult film "Almost Famous": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bp_8GKcNvdQ" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


In fact... the first song he ever did lead vocals was on 1965's "Girl Don't Tell Me" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pS94YK3pscs" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; and he was around 18 or 19 years-old... True, it sounds a lot like "Ticket to Ride" because Brian wrote it for the Beatles to record... And Carl on the same album nailed the 12-string intro to "California Girls".... And he was only 20 when he did the lead for "God Only Knows" and "Good Vibrations".....
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Post by Mallard No. 22 » 23 Dec 2015, 07:10

Didn't know that - were The Beatles actually approached to record it?
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Post by Lt Pinkerton » 23 Dec 2015, 10:16

I've been listening to Friends all morning. Such an underrated album, isn't it?

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Post by KingLouieLouie76 » 28 Dec 2015, 03:54

Mallard No. 22 wrote:Didn't know that - were The Beatles actually approached to record it?

No, he did not.....Brian however once wrote a song specifically meant for Phil Spector to record w/the Ronettes, but Phil unfortunately declined....
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