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Re: Beach Boys Thread

Post by KingLouieLouie76 » 24 Oct 2015, 14:54

Mallard No. 22 wrote:Until the murders it could be said that Manson was on the fringes of the 'scene' in LA. Albeit more by his definition.

Exactly... in fact...one day Dennis was driving along in LA and noticed two female hitch-hikers who picked-up....Later, he had them stay w/him in his home... He came home from a session to a large group that assembled at his home and one was this rather awkward smallish fellow with a high pitched voice who stood up excited to meet him and everyone seemed to worship, which was Charles Manson himself....Him and his family stayed there for awhile, even forcing Dennis out....

Manson recorded several songs and wanted so bad to be accepted... One song was "Cease to Exist" : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnfoZ8gnIhk" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Dennis ended-up reworking some of the cruder lyrics and changed the title to "Never Learn Not To Love" and here's Dennis on lead performing it with the "boys" on the Mike Douglas show: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8I0v2bVX8j4" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Manson was resentful because of the lyrics changed because the Beach Boys promised they wouldn't doctor it whatsoever.... Manson threatened Dennis several times and in fact when Manson and the "family" married Sharon Tate, they were after record producer and musician, Terry Mulcher, who Tate was renting the house from....Manson believed Mulcher and the rest firmly rejected him....the other murders are connected to others who Manson also believed ruined his musical aspirations... That's a brief summary though......
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Post by Mallard No. 22 » 29 Oct 2015, 07:34

I don't know the story in depth, but yes Manson was on the fringes of the 'LA scene'.

He probably was where many others were, in that he could write songs. Though it was not certain that he would have success with them.

Whilst the hippy culture was mainly happy and liberating, there was sub-sections with elements of manipulation, mental illness and crime. As with anything, there will have been overlaps - the edges of where innocence ends, and bad stuff begins, can overlap (and in the circumstances of late 60s West Coast USA, within the blur of substances).

Charles Manson fell into one of the darker sub-sections, and he took certain followers with him.

Terry Melcher being a top producer (The Byrds etc) became known to Manson, who turned up at his house. Melcher wasn't there and tragically Sharon Tate & others fell prey to Manson's intent.

It was one of the incidents that persuaded the establishment to get youth culture on a more controlled-footing once more. Certainly as regards how it was dealt with in mainstream media.
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Post by KingLouieLouie76 » 30 Oct 2015, 12:20

I just came across the official "Do It Again" promotional clip and it's hysterical! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWYqPmScu5I" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Only Dennis could really surf...too bad Brian wasn't in the video, especially since he wrote most of the song and sung the 2nd verse.... there was talk of Paul McCartney playing a clerk in the video, but didn't happen due to scheduling conflicts...

Regarding Manson....he wouldn't have resorted down that path if he wasn't rejected by the mainstream... Oh well....
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Post by Mallard No. 22 » 03 Nov 2015, 07:35

I liked that promo (which is for a great song). As here, the German TV show 'Beat Club' has a great archive of such clips, which they had the foresight to maintain.
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Post by KingLouieLouie76 » 04 Nov 2015, 01:38

Mallard No. 22 wrote:I liked that promo (which is for a great song). As here, the German TV show 'Beat Club' has a great archive of such clips, which they had the foresight to maintain.

"Beat Club" did an excellent job in preserving their archives......

Here's a Brian Wilson solo attempt of "Do it Again" with his daughters, Wendy and Carnie (from Wilson Phillips).....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0DWT-VO5pQ" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Brian is in solid form here..... Also, a Beat Club miming clip from 1968......https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtkFEgldQG8" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Post by Mallard No. 22 » 06 Nov 2015, 07:44

Love the Beat Club clip. If only the UK had preserved their pop music TV from the 60s-70s to the same extent.

The Doors apparently played 'Hello I Love You' on Top of the Pops. Given the Musicians Union rules of the time, this would be expected to be a live performance. Canned Heat (On The Road Again) performed in the studio on the same edition (5/9/68). But it no longer exists for us to see.

The Beach Boys appearances on TOTP in 1968 (Darlin, Do It Again) appear to be promo films.
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Post by KingLouieLouie76 » 06 Nov 2015, 14:30

Mallard No. 22 wrote:Love the Beat Club clip. If only the UK had preserved their pop music TV from the 60s-70s to the same extent.

The Doors apparently played 'Hello I Love You' on Top of the Pops. Given the Musicians Union rules of the time, this would be expected to be a live performance. Canned Heat (On The Road Again) performed in the studio on the same edition (5/9/68). But it no longer exists for us to see.

The Beach Boys appearances on TOTP in 1968 (Darlin, Do It Again) appear to be promo films.

I have to check out and see if that is indeed the case...

I know you liked "It's About Time" in the Hit and Miss thread... There are two separate live videos of them performing that song and this is my fave: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVqj1fUu7Cw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Dennis wrote it, but he's regulated to piano duties here (opposed to his regular drumming) because he broke his hands just prior to the tour).... In fact, the same poster of this video has several other amazing clips from that concert..... It seemed the audiences here in the States were finally accepting them again following a couple of years of relative irrelevance here...

Edit: I must post Dennis at his best and no... it isn't Uncle Jessie from Full House... this is "Forever" from the same album/concert: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLjiZy587iw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: Beach Boys Thread

Post by Mallard No. 22 » 10 Nov 2015, 07:28

The music is of its time. And its about time, for those beards again :D
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Mallard No. 22 wrote:The music is of its time. And its about time, for those beards again :D
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Post by KingLouieLouie76 » 16 Nov 2015, 23:31

Oh...I absolutely cannot wait for this one! http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases ... 65264.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Post by KingLouieLouie76 » 20 Nov 2015, 01:32

WOW.. what a wonderful clip! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bXb-F8ivLQ" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Post by Mallard No. 22 » 23 Nov 2015, 07:53

:D They probably showed that one on Top of the Pops in the UK.
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Post by KingLouieLouie76 » 23 Nov 2015, 23:43

Mallard No. 22 wrote::D They probably showed that one on Top of the Pops in the UK.

I bet... and it never ceases to amaze me what Im now discovering on youtube Beach Boys related! That was just added nearly less than a month ago (and I never saw it before then).... They have several other promotional clips that I've never seen and I hope they're shared soon as well! Just offers more perspective into the band... Here's a video to another fave song of mine, but it's an alternate version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hAZrQneegw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Nothing like the late Carl Wilson.....he to me should be appreciated more than he actually is!

And I just came across this "Cotton Fields" promo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9TIOr1ZY7s" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Wow!
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Re: Beach Boys Thread

Post by Mallard No. 22 » 28 Nov 2015, 06:55

As with The Beatles, they will have relied on promos. Both bands had burgeoning careers in the UK, USA and elsewhere.

'Cottonfields' appeared on Top of the Pops (4/6/70), when Pans People danced to it. So I don't know if the promo was shown elsewhere in the UK.
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Re: Beach Boys Thread

Post by KingLouieLouie76 » 30 Nov 2015, 23:39

Mallard No. 22 wrote:As with The Beatles, they will have relied on promos. Both bands had burgeoning careers in the UK, USA and elsewhere.

'Cottonfields' appeared on Top of the Pops (4/6/70), when Pans People danced to it. So I don't know if the promo was shown elsewhere in the UK.
Oh wow...that is AWESOME to know...this is strangely when the UK accepted the Beach Boys more than the States, but conversely the Kinks were more beloved in the States than the UK... both bands parallel so well together..it's unreal!

Check out around 1 hour and 6 minutes of this concert clip... an exceptional live version of "Feel Flow": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFxZ_s1_FJg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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